GEM-4C 558 -4%
GPT-61S 555 -3.8%
CL-SN55 553 -3.8%
CL-OP55 551 -4%
GPT-61TERR 547 -3.5%
GEM-4CM 546 -4%
CL-OP55EH 542 -3.9%
GPT-61SOLXH 541 -3.6%
GPT-61SOLH 527 -3.7%
CL-SN55XH 523 -3.5%
GEM-4CL 520 -3.9%
GPT-61TERRXH 507 -3.4%
CL-OP55H 506 -4%
GPT-61SOLM 500 -3.5%
KIMI-K31P 499 -3.5%
GEM-4AR 498 -3.9%
GPT-61TERRH 490 -3.2%
CL-OP55M 483 -3.6%
MUSE-WONDFUL 479 -3.8%
CL-SN55H 467 -3.3%
CL-HK55 463 -2.9%
GPT-61TERRM 462 -3.1%
GPT-6A 451 -4.7%
MUSE-WOND 451 -3.6%
CL-HK55XH 450 -3%
GPT-6ASTRXH 440 -4.8%
GROK-47 440 -3.1%
GROK-47H 438 -2.9%
GPT-6ASTRH 437 -4.8%
DSK-V-340615 436 -2.9%
QWEN-38X 428 -2.9%
GPT-61SOLL 423 -3.2%
GLM-53 420 -3%
MIMO-V26P 420 -2.6%
CL-HK55H 419 -2.8%
LING-31F1019 417 -2.6%
GEM-38F 416 -2.8%
GPT-6ASTRM 415 -4.6%
MMAX-M31F 414 -2.8%
GEM-38FM 412 -2.8%
GPT-61TERRNO 411 -2.8%
GROK-47L 410 -2.8%
DSK-V-3E48BD 410 -2.6%
GPT-6L 407 -2.6%
GLM-53F 407 -2.6%
STEP-5 405 -2.6%
CL-FABL51XH 403 -4.7%
GPT-61TERRL 403 -2.9%
MIMO-V26F 401 -2.4%
CL-FABL51 399 -4.5%
CL-SN55M 395 -2.9%
CL-OP55L 393 -3.4%
MIST-LARG4 390 -2.7%
CL-FABL51H 386 -4.5%
CL-HK55M 386 -2.3%
GPT-6LUNAXH 377 -2.6%
MUSE-SPAROPE 375 -2.6%
MIST-LARG4M 371 -2.4%
DSK-V4P 365 -2.4%
GPT-6LUNAH 365 -2.1%
GLM-53L 364 -2.4%
CL-SN55L 362 -2.7%
GEM-38FL 361 -2.4%
GPT-6ASTRL 359 -4.5%
CL-FABL51M 359 -4.5%
QWEN-827B 349 -2.2%
CL-HK55L 347 -2%
MMAX-M3 345 -2%
GPT-6LUNAM 344 -2.3%
DSK-V-02811D 344 -2%
K2-HORI375BA 342 -2%
REFL-BEAM 338 -2%
QWEN-827BM 332 -1.8%
CL-FABL51L 329 -4.4%
QWEN-827BL 320 -1.8%
NEMO-35SUPEV 313 -1.9%
INKL 295 -1.7%
NVID-NEMO3UL 295 -1.3%
GEM-35FLITE 295 -1.3%
GPT-6LUNAL 287 -1.4%
GPT-6LUNANON 286 -1%
NANB-333B 285 -2.7%
QWEN-827BNON 282 -1.4%
COMM-APLUS 266 -1.1%
MUSE-GLIM 263 -1.1%
NEMO-35LIGH 261 -0.8%
GRAN-428B 258 -0.8%
MIST-SMAL4 252 -0.4%
INKL-SM 235 -2.5%
GEMM-431B 225 —
GEMM-4E4B 225 —
GEMM-4E4BNON 225 —
LING-30TINY 225 —
MINI-33B 225 —
NORT-MCODE 225 —
NOVA-MICR 225 —
NVID--ADE3B4 225 —
QWEN-54B 225 —
QWEN-54BNONR 225 —
TINY-AYAGLOB 225 —
GEM-4C 558 -4%
GPT-61S 555 -3.8%
CL-SN55 553 -3.8%
CL-OP55 551 -4%
GPT-61TERR 547 -3.5%
GEM-4CM 546 -4%
CL-OP55EH 542 -3.9%
GPT-61SOLXH 541 -3.6%
GPT-61SOLH 527 -3.7%
CL-SN55XH 523 -3.5%
GEM-4CL 520 -3.9%
GPT-61TERRXH 507 -3.4%
CL-OP55H 506 -4%
GPT-61SOLM 500 -3.5%
KIMI-K31P 499 -3.5%
GEM-4AR 498 -3.9%
GPT-61TERRH 490 -3.2%
CL-OP55M 483 -3.6%
MUSE-WONDFUL 479 -3.8%
CL-SN55H 467 -3.3%
CL-HK55 463 -2.9%
GPT-61TERRM 462 -3.1%
GPT-6A 451 -4.7%
MUSE-WOND 451 -3.6%
CL-HK55XH 450 -3%
GPT-6ASTRXH 440 -4.8%
GROK-47 440 -3.1%
GROK-47H 438 -2.9%
GPT-6ASTRH 437 -4.8%
DSK-V-340615 436 -2.9%
QWEN-38X 428 -2.9%
GPT-61SOLL 423 -3.2%
GLM-53 420 -3%
MIMO-V26P 420 -2.6%
CL-HK55H 419 -2.8%
LING-31F1019 417 -2.6%
GEM-38F 416 -2.8%
GPT-6ASTRM 415 -4.6%
MMAX-M31F 414 -2.8%
GEM-38FM 412 -2.8%
GPT-61TERRNO 411 -2.8%
GROK-47L 410 -2.8%
DSK-V-3E48BD 410 -2.6%
GPT-6L 407 -2.6%
GLM-53F 407 -2.6%
STEP-5 405 -2.6%
CL-FABL51XH 403 -4.7%
GPT-61TERRL 403 -2.9%
MIMO-V26F 401 -2.4%
CL-FABL51 399 -4.5%
CL-SN55M 395 -2.9%
CL-OP55L 393 -3.4%
MIST-LARG4 390 -2.7%
CL-FABL51H 386 -4.5%
CL-HK55M 386 -2.3%
GPT-6LUNAXH 377 -2.6%
MUSE-SPAROPE 375 -2.6%
MIST-LARG4M 371 -2.4%
DSK-V4P 365 -2.4%
GPT-6LUNAH 365 -2.1%
GLM-53L 364 -2.4%
CL-SN55L 362 -2.7%
GEM-38FL 361 -2.4%
GPT-6ASTRL 359 -4.5%
CL-FABL51M 359 -4.5%
QWEN-827B 349 -2.2%
CL-HK55L 347 -2%
MMAX-M3 345 -2%
GPT-6LUNAM 344 -2.3%
DSK-V-02811D 344 -2%
K2-HORI375BA 342 -2%
REFL-BEAM 338 -2%
QWEN-827BM 332 -1.8%
CL-FABL51L 329 -4.4%
QWEN-827BL 320 -1.8%
NEMO-35SUPEV 313 -1.9%
INKL 295 -1.7%
NVID-NEMO3UL 295 -1.3%
GEM-35FLITE 295 -1.3%
GPT-6LUNAL 287 -1.4%
GPT-6LUNANON 286 -1%
NANB-333B 285 -2.7%
QWEN-827BNON 282 -1.4%
COMM-APLUS 266 -1.1%
MUSE-GLIM 263 -1.1%
NEMO-35LIGH 261 -0.8%
GRAN-428B 258 -0.8%
MIST-SMAL4 252 -0.4%
INKL-SM 235 -2.5%
GEMM-431B 225 —
GEMM-4E4B 225 —
GEMM-4E4BNON 225 —
LING-30TINY 225 —
MINI-33B 225 —
NORT-MCODE 225 —
NOVA-MICR 225 —
NVID--ADE3B4 225 —
QWEN-54B 225 —
QWEN-54BNONR 225 —
TINY-AYAGLOB 225 —

Delayed ticker data. Last calculated 5 Nov 2026, 11:04 pm Sydney time.

← Back to feed

Only 3 of 10 Weight-Space Experiments Read Raw Weights: Critics Split Astra's Qwen Result as Qwen 3.8 27B Names 3 of 4 Games on a Laptop

The “Sparks of Weight-Space Programming” write-up, which reported GPT-6 Astra lifting Qwen3.5-0.8B from 7.9% to 48.1% on MATH-500 by editing 0.016% of its weights, now has two public rebuttals and one local replication within two days of release.

The dispute is over which experiments actually count as a model reading raw weights.

The Honnibal breakdown

Matthew Honnibal, the author of spaCy, tabulated the paper’s ten experiments by four properties: whether the model reads raw weights, whether it writes weights, whether it uses Python, and whether it runs the network.

  • The “just by looking at the raw weights” setting, with raw floats in context, no tools and no running of the network, appears only in experiments 1, 2 and 4.
  • Those three use networks of 17K to 172K weights.
  • Every experiment involving a real language model uses Python.
  • The Qwen result, the headline one, also runs the model on up to 50 batches of practice problems.

His objection is the abstract, which says Astra can tell what a network was trained to do “just by looking at the raw weights” and, in the same breath, fixes Qwen. A single technique that did both would imply a deep capability, he argues. Here the technique is not single. What the Qwen result shows, in his reading, is that Astra can be prompted to devise and perform tasks a human ML engineer could do, which “is not nothing,” but is a different claim.

His table also carries caveats the abstract skips. The from-scratch MinAtar networks beat PPO at 500M steps only on Breakout (517 vs 25). They lost on Seaquest (53 vs 89) and were roughly level on Asterix (53 vs 55). The Gemma 3 270M variant of the Qwen edit failed. Spotting a sycophantic Gemma from raw weights failed.

Sean Goedecke separately argued that the Qwen3.5-0.8B update follows the same steps a human ML researcher would take.

The laptop test

Simon Willison took the paper’s no-tools experiment, which feeds a policy network’s weights as text and asks which game it was trained on, and ran it on Qwen 3.8 27B. The model is a 17GB Q4_K_M quantisation served from LM Studio on his laptop, and the prompts are the ones published in the authors’ repository. The default 8,192-token context failed, and the timeout had to be raised to 900 seconds.

GameQwen 3.8 27B (laptop)TimeStated confidence
Pac-ManCorrect46m 12s (43,506 reasoning tokens)72%
PongCorrect1h 4m 54s75%
BreakoutCorrect52m 25s88%
FreewayWrong (answered Pac-Man-like)not statednot stated

For comparison, Kimi K3.1 Pro via OpenRouter named Breakout in 9m 41s using 19,493 reasoning tokens.

Willison read the result as impressive but bounded. The reasoning traces are, in his words, “almost incomprehensible,” lines of channel indices and float values, and he expects “a sufficiently experienced human being armed with a notepad and a pencil” could get there with enough effort. He is not ready to declare that the age of source code is over.

What it changes

Taken together, the three accounts narrow the claim. Reading small policy networks from raw weights, with no tools, works on a four-way multiple choice at the 17K-weight scale, and it is not exclusive to Astra: a 27B open-weights model gets three of four. Editing a 0.8B language model works with code execution and forward passes, and the Qwen edit was a fix for a documented looping failure, not new capability.

The authors’ own table already showed the failures. The argument now is over what the headline should have said.